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From:Dirk

Date: 23 May 1998

I have followed your articles in the Online section in the Guardian and finally had a look at your website. Great! But as i am preparing a webpage I wonder how the number of visitors to your webpage are being counted. Is that a Javascript? And if so, where could I get my hands on it? I had a look around but could not find such a script. Hope to hear from you,

ps......I see, I am already number 947!!

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Reply from:Brian Whitaker

Date: 23 May 1998

God knows what it is! I looked up the instructions for loading files to the server (my service provider is ndirect.co.uk) and I found the code there. I just copied it. I think it's specific to ndirect subscribers because it picks up something in their system. Possibly you'll find some guidance about this on your dircon site. Best of luck with your project.

From:Darren Bell

Date: 24 May 1998

I am contacting you regarding your article in the guardian dated may 21st 1998. I really enjoyed your piece because I had exactly the same problems you did regarding posting your site to a server,I spent a whole weekend pulling my hair out wondering where all my files had gone when it was so easy to view it as a webpage on my pc,of course it was to do with the filenames!!! its reasssuring to know other people have the same hiccups.

It was interesting to read about adding your url to a search engine because i found an amazing service which may be of interest to you (i'd better be careful because this is starting to sound like junk email!!!) this service allows you to submit your website to 400 of the top search engines for free-and it really is free,all the guy asks you do is put a tiny banner anywhere on your website, not much to ask, and he will email you the full report 24 hours later. dont get me wrong i am not on commision i just felt other people could benefit from this service like yourself. if you would like to visit my site the address ishttp://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/blake/223/elec-
troretro.htm
you will find the banner in the arcade area on the bottom of the mame games page. I hope you like my site (perhaps you could give it a mention..hint hint) I look forward to your next article.

From:Phil Barnett

Date: 28 May 1998

Hi there! (isn't that how people talk on the web?),

Just to let you know that I've been enjoying your series of articles in "online" very much.

I'm sure everyone who's designed a web site can relate to a lot of the things you've said. Particularly, in my case, New Counter Embarrasment.

Well your count of 1000+ is no longer embarrasing so it doesn't really apply but you can get free counters which are invisble. They also provide far more info about your visitors than a mere hit count - browser, domain, screen resolution,OS etc, etc.

You could change all your "#ffffC0"'s automatically, with a couple of mouse clicks, using an HTML editor such as Homesite which has a search and replace facility. you wouldn't even have to pay - most of them give you a months trial.

Your site is very impressive, particularly as it loads so quickly - that's really a simple but brilliant idea, having NO graphics on the home page!

P.S. I'd include the URL of my site but you'd hate it - it's too clever by half and is full of Javascript

From:Graham Head, The Sollis Partnership (0171 639 8179)

Date: 28 May 1998

I've followed the development of the Yemen Gateway Web site in the Guardian for a few weeks now, and _finally_ had a look at the pages. Having done that, I think the site is quite well-constructed. I do however have a few comments which you may find useful.

i) The initial page you get to is hard to identify from the Menu in the left hand frame (ie if you want to get back to it), nor does it function as a 'Home Page'. Many Web users like the comfort of a named HP which tells them about the site they've reached and what they might find there. I suspect you intend homer.htm for that purpose, but picky me thinks that linking to it from 'About Yemen Gateway' may not be what most people do.

I would suggest:

Set up a link called 'Home Page', accessible also via a link from the logo at the top of the left-hand menu (and also from the 'Quick briefing' page if you still want to make that the first page displayed when the site is entered).

ii) I really don't like the fact that the left hand menu is alphabetical rather than in some kind of content-related structure.

iii) Concerning Frames and search tools. If the first two points above are aesthetic, this is more significant. Many people may reach your site through a search engine such as altavista rather than following a link to the first, frame-defining page (ie the one with the tag. They may start at _any_ page on your site!

Hence to offer them a simple way of getting to the rest of your site from any page would obviously be helpful. There is a reasonably well- known way to do this; simply offer a link to the main frame-defining page from each page, with some kind of meaningful name.

To complete this solution, some mechanism is required to ensure that someone following the link when already displayed within the right-hand frame will not get the left-hand menu twice (think about it). Again, the standard solution is to use the "target='_top_'" qualifier in the tag defining the link, which tells the browser to display the frames at the topmost level, discarding any extant frames.

iv) Related to the above, the links from 'Yemen on the Net' all open pages from other Web sites within the Yemen gateway right-hand frame. probably not the best solution, as

- if they use frames (or indeed if they link onwards to other sites which do so) then you can get to a very cluttered and unhappy- looking frame-within-a-frame look to the screen, and

- it can look to naive Web viewers as though you are endorsing their site.

Simple solution, as above, is to use "Target='_top_'" on the links which will make the Yemen gateway LH frame go away when the user surfs to another site.

v) Finally, and again related to access from search engines, I would make the titles of the pages (in the tags) a little more meaningful. Eg along the lines of "Yemen Gateway: History of Yemen" or "Yemen Gateway: Home Page". This will make it easier for people to get to the detailed information they want from, say, AltaVista. Currently the titles mostly say just "Yemen Gateway" or "Yemen Studies Network".</a></p> <p><a name="head">Hope the above help</a></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="head"></a><a name="nandi"></a></p> <p><a name="nandi"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="nandi">From:</a><a href="mailto:kn@btinernet.com">K. Nandi</a></p> <p><a name="nandi">Date: 30 May 1998</a></p> <p><a name="nandi">hello. I have been following your articles in guardian online supplement about setting up your website with great interest, especially since I myself have been trying to do exactly the same thing. I have found the process quite simple in fact, even though i know absolutely no HTML at all. I simply got a free page at FortuneCity.com, and then do the pages on Publisher - it converts documents to HTML for you, but you have to spend a bit of time renaming pictures and links in the source code. I hope to get it all done after my A-levels (and parties and so on).</a></p> <p><a name="nandi">Basically the contents are on teabags (which one is the best - square? pyramid? drawstring?) and a load of bands that I like. Hopefully it will be a little more humourous and better-looking than the vast majority of homepages that say stuff like "I like fishing and tennis - E-mail me".</a></p> <p><a name="nandi">Anyway thanks for the great articles, and your Yemen page is very good. I must admit that it doesn't interest me greatly, although Yemen is right next to Oman, which is the only country in the world to begin wth the letter O. By the way, the counter read 1127 when I entered.</a></p> <p><a name="nandi">-------------------------------------------------</a></p> <p><a name="nandi">Reply from:</a><a href="http://al-bab.com/node/2695">Brian Whitaker</a></p> <p><a name="nandi">Date: 30 May 1998</a></p> <p><a name="nandi">Thanks for your message. I look forward to seeing your website. Personally, I hate ROUND teabags because you can't fish them out of the cup without getting your fingers burnt. (I wouldn't dream of using a spoon, but that's another story.) Drawstring are OK unless the paper tag falls into the tea, which makes it taste horrible.</a></p> <p><a name="nandi">Yemenis, by the way, usually drink leaf tea in a glass, with sweetened condensed milk and sometimes a bit of cinnamon sprinkled on top.</a></p> <p><a name="nandi">Best of luck with your exams.</a></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="nandi"></a><a name="salvadori"></a></p> <p><a name="salvadori"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="salvadori">From:</a><a href="mailto:webman@pegasoweb.com">Fabio Salvadori</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">Date: 26 May, 1998</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">PRESS RELEASE: PegasoWeb announced today the release of a new breed of web site promotion software,</a><a href="http://www.pegasoweb.com/engenius/">Engenius v.1.0</a>, a revolutionary tool that systematically removes the hit and miss element and systematically boosts your web site to a top positioning within search engine listings. This brand new software has been developed over the last 2 years and unlike other "self help search engine reports" actually generates automatically the optimised html code for your page to use within your web site.</p> <p><a name="salvadori">Fabio Salvadori, President of PegasoWeb, noted author and developer of Engenius v.1.0. say's "Existing and potential customers will not be able to visit your site if they can't find it, no matter how much money or time you spent developing it. If your site's name does not show up, at or near the top of the search engine results when people search for related information they will not be able to link to your site and go to a competitors site."</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">Website developers around the world have been waiting for such a software development and Engenius v.1.0 was created to meet this demand giving both Internet rookies and professional webmasters a set of automatic tools able to build optimised web pages to achieve a top ranking within search engine listings. This has considerable impacts on both time and money savings for developers. It also helps search engines ensure relevant subject matter is returned when browsers use the search engines. This will help everyone to make the web a quick and efficient mechanism for information retrieval.</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">Engenius v.1.0 :</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">* Automatically generates meta tags as search engines request them.</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">* Analyses the keyword relevance on a given web page for given keywords.</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">* Generates ghost pages related to a given web page.</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">* Generates relevant keywords on a given topic.</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">* Explains in detail the keyword relevance criteria for each of the major search engines.</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">* Analyses a given web page to check if it spams the search engines.</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">* Finds appropriate driving traffic keywords for a given web site/page content.</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">-------------------------------------------------</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">Reply from:</a><a href="http://al-bab.com/node/2695">Brian Whitaker</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">Date: 27 May 1998</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">Thank you for sending the press release about Engenius to online@guardian.co.uk. I write a weekly column about building a website. As it happens, I am planning to discuss search engines in my next column. I wonder if you would be prepared to carry out an experiment which may interest The Guardian's readers.</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">The website I am writing about is: www.al-bab.com</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">Could you possibly copy one or two pages from this site, with their existing meta data, and use Engenius to suggest how their ratings might be improved?</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">-------------------------------------------------</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">From:</a><a href="mailto:webman@pegasoweb.com">Fabio Salvadori</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">Date: 28 May 1998</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">Thanks for your interest in Engenius v.1.0. I copied</a><a href="http://al-bab.com/node/3145">gdn3.htm</a>and<a href="http://al-bab.com/node/3631">gov1.htm</a>from <a href="http://www.al-bab.com">www.al-bab.com</a> and optimized them with Engenius v.1.0. The results are the modified html pages here in attachement. A list of changes and optimizations follows:</p> <p><a name="salvadori">1)For a very descriptive site such as al-bab.com (full of text, with no graphics) it is better not to use frames. In fact, search engines indexing frames are really few (ie Infoseek). For this reason, it is better using tables (as you can see in the attached files).</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">2)The <title> tag must contain at least one relevant keyword: i don't think people does a search for 'Yemen Gateways'. So, maybe it's better 'Yemen News' or 'Yemen Government'. Search engines want to find a keyword one/three times for each section of an html document, to consider that keyword relevant (all what i'm saying is inside Engenius v.1.0, of course): it is considered a section all the text included in a html tag, such as:</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">- title tag<br /> - description meta tag<br /> - keywords meta tag<br /> - <H1>, <H2> etc. tags<br /> - <table> tag<br /> - <tr> tag<br /> - <td> tag<br /> - <img> tag (only the text included inside the 'alt' command) etc.</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">3)gdn3.htm has been changed inserting text paragraphs inside <td> tags for the reason above specified (keyword relevance increases).</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">4)In both pages four comment lines have been added between </head> and <body> tags: the reason is that this technique 'pays' a lot with search engines as Excite wich doesen't scan meta tags (it searches for keywords into the first 255 characters of text into the <body></body> section, but their robot has been teached to treat comment lines between </head> and <body> such as keywords meta tags.</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">5)The keywords meta tags in both documents spammed: in fact, for istance, the word 'yemen'appeared too much times: this thing gave to the keyword 'yemen' less relevance; remember the following: keyword phrases (into the keywords meta tag) are important only if they describe the content of the html document with different words.</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">6) Engenius v.1.0 reported that the word 'democracy' in the gdn3.htm can be relevant appearing 7 times. Because the word 'yemen' appears 29 times and 'democracy in yemen' could be a possible phrase searched for by people using search engines, for this reason the word 'democracy' has been added to the keywords meta tags.</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">7) Engenius v.1.0 generated the following meta tags, automatically for the gdn3.htm page:</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori"><META http-equiv3D"content-type" CONTENT3D"text/html; charset3Diso-885 9-1><br /> <META http-equiv3D"keywords" CONTENT3D"yemen, news, politics, government, elections, parliament, constitution, unification, national unity, parties, history, political change in yemen, guardian news, articles, democracy"><br /> <META http-equiv3D"description" CONTENT3D"Yemen: articles from The Guardian newspaper."><br /> <META http-equiv3D"title" CONTENT3D"Yemen News"><br /> <META name3D"title" CONTENT3D"Yemen News"></a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">(Engenius v.1.0 did the same, of course with a different content, for the gov1.htm page)</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">This technique is very appreciated by the AltaVista robot and it boosts very much the keyword relevance with AltaVista.</a></p> <p><a name="salvadori">I hope the above explanation is clear enough (i know, my english is bad...). However, attached you can find the files modified by Engenius v.1.0 and i can assure you that the two modified pages can reach the TOP20/30 of the major search engines listings for mostly of the chosen keywords.</a></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="salvadori"></a><a name="ramjet"></a></p> <p><a name="ramjet"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="ramjet">From:</a><a href="mailto:%20ramjet@templeofdin.demon.co.uk">UberPope Okapi Ombadeng "Long Time" Raptor Ramjet KSC</a></p> <p><a name="ramjet">Date: 28 May 1998</a></p> <p><a name="ramjet">As a regular reader of the Grauniads Online section I have been keeping abreast of the saga of your Yemen Gateway site. As this weeks was on the subject of web counters I thought I'd let you in on a bijou cheat you can employ......</a></p> <p><a name="ramjet">If your counter works in the same way to mine (i.e. via a CGI script run on the Demon server) then you'll find a file in your homepage directory called 'counter.txt'. If you really wanted to impress the gullible with the number of hits you've got then you can simply edit this file, put in the number of hits you think will get the girls/boys/whatever your preferences excited then sit back and feel smug about it !</a></p> <p><a name="ramjet">I've not actually used this cheat on my humble Temple of Din site (other than to test my theory, after which I reset it back to it's original figure) as I'd rather keep a true count of the number of vistors I've had (thinks... maybe I should just add 10,000 to the total and subtract it to get the true picture ???)</a></p> <p><a name="ramjet">Lastly, may I also say that reading the bit about Unix and your page name problems in last weeks installment brought back some 'happy' memories !!!</a></p> <p><a name="ramjet">Yours happily spreading ultra koans in the region of Thud,</a></p> <p><a name="ramjet">UberPope Okapi Ombadeng "Long Time" Raptor Ramjet KSC</a></p> <p><a name="ramjet">"no electrons were harmed in the construction or transfer of this message"</a></p> <p><a name="ramjet">P.S. I trust you've set your home page as your default page ? guaranteeing you another hit each time you log on?</a></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="ramjet"></a><a name="gummett"></a></p> <p><a name="gummett"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="gummett">From:</a><a href="mailto:gummett@innocent.com">Edward Gummett</a></p> <p><a name="gummett">Date: 28 May 1998</a></p> <p><a name="gummett">You wrote in this morning's guardian online section of having the problem of needing to change one line in 192 different html files.</a></p> <p><a name="gummett">I hope for your sake that you haven't done this yet, for there is another way (I've had this problem myself). Download 'Hotdog Pro' (an html editor) from www.sausage.com.au and then from inside the program download the 'multifile find and replace' supertool from the supertoolz menu. This lets you do a normal find and replace (as in Wordpad / Word), but on, say, all the html files in a directory tree! It'll save you hours.</a></p> <p><a name="gummett">BTW, my site's been up for over a year, and I'm on 870 visitors, so you're not alone!</a></p> <p><a name="gummett">P.S: As I've just had to go to your site to get your email address, I can see that (a) you haven't changed the backgrounds yet!, and (b) you've got more visitors than me already. Nice...</a></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="gummett"></a><a name="bains"></a></p> <p><a name="bains"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="bains">From:</a><a href="mailto:s.j.bains@cranfield.ac.uk">Simon J. Bains</a>, Network Information Specialist, Library, Cranfield University, Bedfordshire MK43 0AL</p> <p><a name="bains">Date: 28 May 1998</a></p> <p><a name="bains">Having followed your column in Online, I thought it time I had a look at the site itself.</a></p> <p><a name="bains">Congratulations! I'm amazed at how much you have achieved in such a short space of time. Not only in terms of design, but also in organisation of content.</a></p> <p><a name="bains">Personally I'm not a big fan of frames, as I don't like the way the contents frame remains when you visit another site, making it hard to work out where you are. Apart from that though (which is a personal preference rather than a criticism) I think it's great. I also like the fact that you have an index (well I am a librarian). Could I suggest quick links to each letter, aka:</a></p> <p><a name="bains"></a><a href="http://www.cranfield.ac.uk/cils/library/subjects/list.htm">http://www.cranfield.ac.uk/cils/library/subjects/list.htm</a></p> <p><a name="bains">This, incidentally, is the index page to my own efforts. My pages (CRUISE) are a gateway in the strictest sense - providing links, not content. Homepage is</a><a href="http://www.cranfield.ac.uk/cils/library/subjects/webinfo.htm">http://www.cranfield.ac.uk/cils/library/subjects/web-<br /> info.htm</a></p> <p><a name="bains">It's very simple in design as I have also been struggling with making pages readable using any browser and differing screen resolutions.</a></p> <p><a name="bains">Have you thought about how your site might be made searchable? As it grows that becomes more important, and is one of the hardest things to do well. (I guess your service provider might have something?)</a></p> <p><a name="bains">PS: There was another thing I intended to mention, and forgot. You talk about web counters in your article. A colleague here has written an article arguing that they are inherently unreliable performance indicators. See: "Why web usage statistics are (worse than) meaningless" (</a><a href="http://www.cranfield.ac.uk/docs/stats/">http://www.cranfield.ac.uk/docs/stats/</a>).</p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="bains"></a><a name="hatts"></a></p> <p><a name="hatts"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="hatts">From:</a><a href="mailto:jhatts@usa.net">James Hatts</a></p> <p><a name="hatts">Date: 7 June 1998</a></p> <p><a name="hatts">I also recently set up a web site (</a><a href="http://www.bigfoot.com/~in_se1">www.bigfoot.com/~in_se1</a>). Someone has probably suggested this already, but I use<a href="http://www.icount.com/">Internet Count</a>on my sites which enables you to counter-proof your browser so that you do not register hits when checking your own web site. I've found it very helpful and reliable.</p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="hatts"></a><a name="ramjet2"></a></p> <p><a name="ramjet2"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="ramjet2">From:</a><a href="mailto:%20ramjet@templeofdin.demon.co.uk">UberPope Okapi Ombadeng "Long Time" Raptor Ramjet KSC</a></p> <p><a name="ramjet2">Date: 7 June 1998</a></p> <p><a name="ramjet2">Hello again, As you were on the subject of search engines I just thought I'd mail you again to mention a couple of useful sites.</a></p> <p><a name="ramjet2"></a><a href="http://www.addme.com/">http://www.addme.com/</a>is a nice little site that simplifies registering your site with a multitude of search engines. All they ask in return is that you put a link to ADDME somewhere on your page (Personally I'm rather fond of this "backsratching" mindset that exists on the web)</p> <p><a name="ramjet2"></a><a href="http://www.ferretsoft.com/netferret/">http://www.ferretsoft.com/netferret/</a>have a cracking little utility which you can download for free. It's called Web Ferret and is a "search engine searcher" i.e. it treats Alta-Vista, Yahoo etc. as subroutines and tells each one to look for your chosen search string and will pull up links that I can't sem to get from using the search engines themselves. You can also save your search results to a file and go back to them later which is most useful.</p> <p><a name="ramjet2">Er... That's all for now !</a></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="ramjet2"></a><a name="anderson"></a></p> <p><a name="anderson"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="anderson">From:</a><a href="mailto:97297122@brookes.ac.uk">Jonathan Anderson</a></p> <p><a name="anderson">Date: 11 June 1998</a></p> <p><a name="anderson">Thanks for saying something about 'Under Construction' logos, they are kind of like an annoying feature in a car that would beep to let you know you were travelling forwards every ten seconds when in motion. Validating your web page really isn't such a hassle, and getting advice from ciwah (the HTML newsgroup) can be actually quite rewarding if you're lucky. I don't think it was them that took your post off your server somehow (unless they can hack into computers as well as the self-esteem of unsuspecting posters to the newsgroup), but you never know... Just don't make the mistake a guy called Bill Schlake did a few months back, and try to take them on. I think he won a lot of respect in the end, cos he was fighting the purists in a single-handed battle, but he got flamed to bits for it. I think cancelling stuff like </tr> isn't actually needed, but if you're using Netscape (any version) it is VERY useful to do so - Netscape has this amazing capability to screw tables up beyond all recognition if you're unlucky. If I was able to install IE on my computer I would.</a></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="anderson"></a><a name="larter"></a></p> <p><a name="larter"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="larter">From:</a><a href="mailto:100325.507@compuserve.com">Nick Larter</a></p> <p><a name="larter">Date: 15 June 1998</a></p> <p><a name="larter">I read your recent article concerning how to be found on the Web (Search me) in On-line.</a></p> <p><a name="larter">In my view, this is a really key topic, which has been very under reported and inadequately studied so far. For a small business marketing on the web like myself it is of critical importance. I am spending a lot of time researching the topic at the moment for a long article I want to write for</a><a href="http://indigo.ie/~nlarter/Troubadour.html">Technology Troubadour</a>, the technology magazine I am going to start publishing on the Web, from this Autumn.</p> <p><a name="larter">The info on Engenius was interesting but I think the average web site owner has a lot of work to do before he or she gets to the point where Engenius can help further. I was on the Web a year before I realised that search engines don't find you automatically, that you have to submit your URL to them. It was even longer before I realised the significance of meta tags.</a></p> <p><a name="larter">The purpose of this E'mail is to alert you and your forum readers to the existence of a meta tag site I have found useful:</a><br /> <a href="http://vancouver-webpages.com/VWbot/mk-metas.html">http://vancouver-webpages.com/VWbot/mk-metas.html</a></p> <p><a name="larter">It provides a form to generate your meta tags for you automatically and also has a lot of background information on how the search engines work.</a></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="larter"></a><a name="madah"></a></p> <p><a name="madah"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="madah">From:</a><a href="mailto:madah@compuserve.com">"Madah"</a></p> <p><a name="madah">Date: 11 June 1998</a></p> <p><a name="madah">Very nice colours. Fruitcake. Are these Yemen's national colours or something you dreamed up to aid against the ever increasing problem of eye strain? If I was American you would think it was a pretty straight forward question to answer. Well I am British and now you're thinking: "Is there a hint of scarcasm in those words?" I can assure you there is none ... once again ... nice scheme. Those browns remind me of the flared suits they wore in TV progs like 'The Sweeney' or 'Bewitched'.</a></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="madah"></a><a name="cox"></a></p> <p><a name="cox"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="cox">From:</a><a href="mailto:coxm@sun1.bham.ac.uk">Mike Cox</a></p> <p><a name="cox">Date: 16 June 1998</a></p> <p><a name="cox">Following your article in the Guardian about the problems of creating tables I can highly recommend an Excel macro which converts tables from Excel spreadsheets directly into html spreadsheets which is at</a><br /> <a href="http://www710.gsfc.nasa.gov/704/dgd/xl2html.html">http://www710.gsfc.nasa.gov/704/dgd/xl2html.html</a><br /> and is also at<br /> <a href="http://www13.excite.com/computers_and_internet/internet/software/html_converters/top0.html">http://www13.excite.com/computers_and_<br /> internet/internet/software/html_converters/top0.html</a><br /> I used it to create the density tables on my site at<a href="http://web.bham.ac.uk/M.Cox/sprucalc/">web.bham.ac.uk/M.Cox/sprucalc/</a></p> <p><a name="cox">I haven't looked at your site yet but it downloaded quickly. I agree totally with your ideas that putting loads of bells and whistles clogs every thing up. The limiting thing is often the computer though, not the download time. When Java swings into action on my Power Mac 6100 every thing dies and I wait minutes for it to repond to a mouse click. On a good pentium PC things happen instantaneously after Java has woken up.</a></p> <p><a name="cox">By the way, a good html reference site which helped me clear up some of my problems is at</a><a href="http://www.cat.uc.edu/guide/w3guide/commands.html">http://www.cat.uc.edu/guide/w3guide/commands.html</a><br /> (I didnt know about the <TARGET="_parent"> command which led me a merry dance). The Java applet was made with a converter for working spreadsheets to applets at<a href="http://www.vni.com/products/wpd/SmartTable/">http://www.vni.com/products/wpd/SmartTable/</a>though it probably won't be of much interest for your work.</p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="cox"></a><a name="jillians"></a></p> <p><a name="jillians"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="jillians">From:</a><a href="mailto:Sam.Sherret@mcmail.com">Bill Jillians (sam.sherret@mcmail.com)</a></p> <p><a name="jillians">Date: 20 June 1998</a></p> <p><a name="jillians">I MUST criticise your less than honest and honourable support of the Shareware concept. You have no right to use the program that you mention in the article about changing the colours on your site (HotDog Pro, in fact) for you have been granted a 30-day trial period in which to test that program out to see if it meets your needs.<br /> Since, as you yourself note, the program is very useful to you, what allows you the right to then deny the author his dues and, with fickleness, change to another shareware package which you will then have to learn from scratch?</a></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="robinson"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="robinson">From:</a><a href="mailto:mail@tomrobinson.com%3e">Tom Robinson</a></p> <p><a name="robinson">Date: 18 June 1998</a></p> <p><a name="robinson">I've been following your series of articles on building a Web site with mounting exasperation. Certainly it's very clever to hand-craft a Web site in raw HTML: so is building your own radio set from scratch. But why on earth would anyone want to?</a></p> <p><a name="robinson">If you're perfectly happy to use 30-day trial software, why not simply download a Web page creator such as GoLive Cyberstudio (</a><a href="http://www.golive.com/">http://www.golive.com</a>) or, best of all, Claris HomePage (<a href="http://www.claris.com/software/highlights/clarispagetrial.html">http://www.claris.com/software/<br /> highlights/clarispagetrial.html</a>). All are available for PC or Mac and make child's play of Web page layout.</p> <p><a name="robinson">Why learn that FF0000 is pure red when HomePage automatically generates the correct code for any colour you choose? It's possible to assemble a decent Web site, limited only by your imagination, well within the 30-day trial period using any of the above. By all means study the raw HTML afterwards to learn how it works and give a final tweak to your pages.</a></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="robinson"></a><a name="faithfull"></a></p> <p><a name="faithfull"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="faithfull">From:</a><a href="mailto:m.faithfull@unison.co.uk">Matt Faithfull</a></p> <p><a name="faithfull">Date: 28 June 1998</a></p> <p><a name="faithfull">I would like to respond to Tom Robinson's comment asking who wants to write raw HTML/build a wireless. Taking the analogy further why should someone build a kit car when they can pop down to their local garage and buy a fully road-worthy vehicle straight away?</a></p> <p><a name="faithfull">The answer is fairly obvious - the satisfaction and reward you get from seeing something grow from your own efforts and increasing understanding of the subject. I have just created some pages for UNISON's own Intranet using nothing more powerful than Window's Notepad and only basic knowledge of HTML and found it one of the most interesting and challenging (and more importantly on-going) tasks I've undertaken.</a></p> <p><a name="faithfull">Isn't one of the Web's most pleasing aspects the huge variety of approaches to building and writing sites? If people want to learn HTML and write it themselves - full credit to them. After all, the pioneers of the WWW didn't use Frontpage!</a></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="faithfull"></a><a name="jack"></a></p> <p><a name="jack"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="jack">From:</a><a href="mailto:Andy.Jack@nottingham.ac.uk">Andy Jack, Academic Computing Services, University of Nottingham</a></p> <p><a name="jack">Date: 26 June 1998</a></p> <p><a name="jack">Tom Robinson asks why anyone should want to handcraft a Web site in raw HTML. One possible answer is that the result of the Web page creator software can be absolutely appalling. True, some of it may look very pretty on the surface but the results are achieved by a completely mindless use of HTML. There are usually superflous HTML tags which do things like setting bold font before a space and then unsetting it directly afterwards. I've seen a line of HTML generated by a program which used 55 charactes to represent a single space on the screen. All 55 of those characters are transmitted across the network and decoded by the browser, 90% of them unneccessarily.</a></p> <p><a name="jack">What is needed now is utilities to optimise web pages and cut out the garbage that simple-minded creator programs introduce. Network bandwidth is a scarce enough commodity without throwing it away.</a></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="jack"></a><a name="scott"></a></p> <p><a name="scott"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="scott">From:</a><a href="mailto:CMoS@whom.co.uk">Colin M Scott</a></p> <p><a name="scott">Date: 26 June 1998</a></p> <p><a name="scott">The trouble with HTML editors is they are overly ambitious without adhering to the ground rules. As mentioned</a><a href="http://al-bab.com/node/3577">earlier</a>,<a href="http://www.w3c.org/">http://www.w3c.org/</a>take the WWW standards issue very seriously.</p> <p><a name="scott">I would dearly like an editor that understood official DTD and CSS (Document Type Definition and Cascaded Style Sheets). And for that matter it would be nice if browsers could be made to do the same.</a></p> <p><a name="scott">And for all those who think they have the site to out-Dilbert everyone else quickly browse it with</a><a href="http://lynx.browser.org/">Lynx</a>just in case those snazzy graphics are the only content you have.</p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="scott"></a><a name="morris"></a></p> <p><a name="morris"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="morris">From:</a><a href="mailto:rob.morris@hempseed.com">Rob Morris</a></p> <p><a name="morris">Date: 28 June 1998</a></p> <p><a name="morris">So, Tom Robinson can't see why people like myself write in HTML? IMHO its more flexible than submitting yourself to the wizard and template driven packages, where you then have to go and tweak the code to do exactly what you want. When you know what you're doing, it's quicker. Yeah, there's a superiority angle, but there has to be: those of us who know what we're doing, vs. those who don't have to think because their software's sufficiently dumbed-down. Visual Basic is a pefect example: anyone can do it, everyone does. I've yet to see a VB program that was really any good. Not a bad site , though, Tom. I'll give you that.</a></p> <p><a name="morris">Oh, and I don't bother remembering all the color codes because I have a color chart which lists them. I'm not that sad.</a></p> <p><a name="morris">The attitude expressed by both Tom and Brian Whitaker to trial versions of software also leaves a lot to be desired. We should be supporting this concept wholeheartedly - not abusing it.</a></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="morris"></a><a name="gummett"></a></p> <p><a name="gummett"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="gummett">From:</a><a href="mailto:Gummett@innocent.com">Edward Gummett</a></p> <p><a name="gummett">Date: 28 June 1998</a></p> <p><a name="gummett">I saw a complaint in your feedback section about the use of frames, in that the navigation frame stays when you follow a link to another site. There is a way to solve this. Put target="_top" in the link code, and all frames will disappear when a link is followed. Again, Hotdog Pro's multfile find-and-replace can be of use. (It was nice to get a mention in the Guardian, even if only I knew it was me!). I would disagree that frames are becoming passé - they are certainly not common, but your and my sites would be much harder to use without them. Since all browsers sine almost forever support frames, there is absolutely no reason to not use them because you may be excluding visitors.</a></p> <p><a name="gummett">P.S, could you leave the link to my sites (below)? Cheers!</a></p> <p><a name="gummett">Web Site:</a><a href="http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/7405/">http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/7405/</a></p> <p><a name="gummett">Sienna's Web Site:</a><a href="http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/6856/">http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/6856/</a></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="gummett"></a><a name="turnbull"></a></p> <p><a name="turnbull"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="turnbull">From:</a><a href="mailto:stephen.turnbull@virgin.net">Stephen Turnbull</a></p> <p><a name="turnbull">Date: 27 June 1998</a></p> <p><a name="turnbull">First may I say how I enjoy your column in The Guardian! Great stuff- and it so mirrors my own experience.</a></p> <p><a name="turnbull">I have paid $39 to Register-it to be on 100 search engines. It has really paid off, and my visits have leapt from 10 a month to 100 a week! Highly recommended!</a></p> <p><a name="turnbull">Ignore that carping fart in Letters who said you shouldn't learn HTML. How will you ever know what's wrong if you don't know the language? My clever son taught me, and I really enjoy it because I know what the tags mean. Short cuts are for later.</a></p> <p><a name="turnbull">I am to Japanese samurai what you are to Yemen. Please visit me at</a></p> <p><a name="turnbull"></a><a href="http://freespace.virgin.net/stephen.turnbull/publications.htm">http://freespace.virgin.net/stephen.turnbull/<br /> publications.htm</a></p> <p><a name="turnbull">As you obviously have asense of humour you will enjoy my short story about a disastrous family of ninja.</a></p> <p><a name="turnbull">I have joined Amazon too, recommending all my own books!</a></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="turnbull"></a><a name="thorn"></a></p> <p><a name="thorn"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="thorn">From:</a><a href="mailto:achuka@webplus.co.uk">Michael Thorn</a>,<a href="http://www.webplus.co.uk/~achuka">ACHUKA Children's Books UK</a></p> <p><a name="thorn">Date: 25 June 1998</a></p> <p><a name="thorn">As a fellow self-taught webmaster I've been following your Yemen site articles in The Guardian with a great deal of interest.</a></p> <p><a name="thorn">I use CoffeeCup as my basic HTML editor. It can be downloaded shareware but only costs 30 US$ anyway, so I've registered my copy. It's very good, for example, at doing the automatic colour-coding you were talking about recently. But it can't do multiple page-changes.</a></p> <p><a name="thorn">My site,</a><a href="http://www.webplus.co.uk/~achuka">ACHUKA</a>, was until recently a framed site, so I enjoyed this week's piece. I now include all my section links across the top of each page, instead of in a left-hand frame. I'm also beginning to use cascading style sheets. Don't think you've written about them yet.</p> <p><a name="thorn">Anyway, best wishes.</a></p> <p><a name="thorn">Oh, and by the way, I'm a dedicated books site, but I don't get (m)any sales through Amazon either.</a></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="thorn"></a><a name="clark"></a></p> <p><a name="clark"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="clark">From:</a><a href="mailto:mik.c@virgin.net">Mick Clark</a></p> <p><a name="clark">Date: 2 July 1998</a></p> <p><a name="clark">We don't all come to poke and prod! Seriously I have found your articles and website very useful and after about six weeks frustration finally managed to get my site online last night (on the eve of my 48th birthday!).</a></p> <p><a name="clark">It's very basic and mainly describes the activities of my jazz band Magic Robot in and around the Bristol area. I am adding other related music information but it seems that websites take on a life of their own, being a combination of publishing and interactivity. Of course when Dickens published his novels in monthly episodes he received a large postal response, but he didn't have people poking around and criticizing his fonts seconds after publishing them.</a></p> <p><a name="clark">Don't feel obliged but my site is:</a></p> <p><a name="clark"></a><a href="http://graffiti.virgin.net/mik.c/magicrob.htm">http://graffiti.virgin.net/mik.c/magicrob.htm</a></p> <p><a name="clark">Incidentally I have a vestigial interest in the Yemen as I worked in Saudi 1980-1 but unfortunately never made it down south. One day perhaps.</a></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="clark"></a><a name="thorpe"></a></p> <p><a name="thorpe"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="thorpe">From:</a><a href="mailto:djt@robots.ox.ac.uk">David Thorpe</a>, Robotics Research Group, Oxford University</p> <p><a name="thorpe">Date: 3 July 1998</a></p> <p><a name="thorpe">I've been following your articles published in the Guardian Online section along with the rest of the population of the UK and have had similar experiences in the past when "constructing" and "maintaining" WWW sites.</a></p> <p><a name="thorpe">There are some many "inefficiencies" with the current approach of coding directly in HTML. There are some that say you should use a composition program such as "Microsoft FrontPage" or "Netscape Composer" for coding pages but these introduce identical problems - mainly, that you are coping with the "content" and "presentation" at the same time. It's difficult to maintain information when you have to deal with both of these at the same time.</a></p> <p><a name="thorpe">You may be aware [and you've probably got many other emails about this] that companies such as Microsoft and Netscape are adopting a new standard into their next generation Web browsers which specifically separate the "content" from the "presentation" by introducing "stylesheets". The acronyms to watch here are "SGML", "DSSSL", "XML" and "XSL". These standards have been developed in conjunction with the WWW standards organization, w3.org</a></p> <p><a name="thorpe">The beauty of separating content from presentation is that it is much more efficient when dealing with large amounts of information. If, for example, you would wish to change your colour scheme you could do so on every single one of your pages in a couple of seconds, regardless of the "content". Then, if you wish to introduce a new section of information, it could be done and the presentation style be applied to it without additional work.</a></p> <p><a name="thorpe">By separating "style" from "content" you split the job of constructing a web site neatly into two separate halves which only come together when "compiling" the site. The content is structured in much the same way as HTML, using "tags". If I wished to have an address book I could use:</a></p> <p><a name="thorpe"><entry><br /> <name> David Thorpe</name><br /> <org> Robotics Research Group<br><br /> Oxford University </org><br /> <tel> 01865 282181</tel><br /> <email>djt@robots.ox.ac.uk</email><br /> </entry></a></p> <p><a name="thorpe">This encoding is known as "SGML" and/or "XML". Then, I could present my information using the following "stylesheet", which could output HTML or another presentation style. The "%c" terms in this example mean the "content" of that element:</a></p> <p><a name="thorpe">ELEMENT entry<br /> OUTPUT "<BLOCKQUOTE>%c</BLOCKQUOTE>"<br /> ELEMENT name<br /> OUTPUT "<B>%c</B><BR>"<br /> ELEMENT org<br /> OUTPUT "<I>%c</I><BR>"<br /> ELEMENT tel<br /> OUTPUT "%c<BR"<br /> ELEMENT email<br /> OUTPUT "<A HREF=mailto:%c>%c</A><BR>"</a></p> <p><a name="thorpe">Although this small example isn't terribly powerful, depending on the stylesheet language used, a number of very useful things can be done with it. Some examples are:</a></p> <p><a name="thorpe">a) Take a HTML file and add/remove attributes from it, or transform it in some way.</a></p> <p><a name="thorpe">b) Validate that a HTML file is correctly structured.</a></p> <p><a name="thorpe">c) Take a HTML, SGML or XML file and convert it into another format, such as a Microsoft Word document, and vice-versa.</a></p> <p><a name="thorpe">d) Take "content" and apply a stylesheet to it, to produce a number of HTML files, with indexing, table of contents, and so forth, automatically.</a></p> <p><a name="thorpe">Work is afoot to produce new web browsers which can do all of these things. The current version of Microsoft Internet Explorer, and the forthcoming Netscape Navigator will both include support for XML and XSL (the stylesheet language for XML).</a></p> <p><a name="thorpe">However, there are useful tools available now which I use constantly for publishing web documents: If you are interested in this please download free copies of software from the following locations:</a></p> <p><a name="thorpe"></a><a href="http://www.omnimark.com/">http://www.omnimark.com/</a>OmniMark takes SGML and applies their own quirky stylesheet language to produce other formats.</p> <p><a name="thorpe"></a><a href="http://www.balise.com/">http://www.balise.com/</a>Like OmniMark, but the language is easier for a computer programmer.</p> <p><a name="thorpe"></a><a href="http://www.jclark.com/">http://www.jclark.com/</a>Jade: A free SGML+DSSSL program which produces HTML and Microsoft Word Documents amongst other things. Not so easy for the beginner to understand however.</p> <p><a name="thorpe">Personally I think that this is the best and most satisfying way forward in hypertext systems; it's an "open" standard unlike many other possible solutions, is easy to learn and will be supported by big companies and individuals for many years to come.</a></p> <p><a name="thorpe">I hope this might interest you a little bit - it's painful for me to read that you have just had to change the colour on 300 pages - and I hope you realise there is a much better way!</a></p> <p><a name="thorpe">For more information about SGML, XML, etc please see:</a></p> <p><a name="thorpe"></a><a href="http://www.sil.org/sgml/">http://www.sil.org/sgml/</a></p> <p><a name="thorpe">Please contact me if you'd like more information.</a></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="thorpe"></a><a name="ali"></a></p> <p><a name="ali"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="ali">From:</a><a href="mailto:mahareer@fcmail.com">Ali Alyemeni</a></p> <p><a name="ali">Date: 6 July 1998</a></p> <p><a name="ali">Some times words betray us and leave us unable to express our appreciation and admiration of wonderful things. Your web site is absolutely one of the most wonderful things that happens to Yemen lately. I strongly belief that it is the best web site on Yemen that has been created so far. And to tell you the truth, I am really empressed and embarrassed at the same time. I am empressed to see this web site which reflects tremendous effort on your part. Yet, I am embarrassed to see an individual, not even a Yemeni, doing what our government with its thousands of bureaucrats could not do. Check for yourself the Yemeni web sites from the PGC to other ministries. Thanks and I hope Yemen will be one day ruled by clean individuals who will honor such efforts. Have a great time.</a></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="ali"></a><a name="mitch"></a></p> <p><a name="mitch"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="mitch">From:</a><a href="mailto:m.harris@year-x.com">Mitch Harris</a></p> <p><a name="mitch">Date: 9 July 1998</a></p> <p><a name="mitch">I read about your problem with links to a frame of your site instead of the home page in Guardian Online. There is a quick fix for this until they correct the link - it is a bit of javascript which will automatically load the home page into the users browser instead of showing just the frame. Do not use this trick on any page which people might want to view without frames. The reload is completely harmless and transparent but only works with browsers which are javascript enabled (the majority).</a></p> <p><a name="mitch">Simply paste the lines below between <head> and </head> in the file for the left hand frame (homel.htm):</a></p> <p><a name="mitch"><script language="JavaScript"><br /> <!--<br /> if (self.name != "left") {self.location = "index.html";}<br /> //--><br /> </script></a></p> <p><a name="mitch">I have made the code ready to use for your site - in general, you need to amend the code by replacing 'left' with the *name* of the left-hand panel. (This is not the filename but is specified in index.html - there will be a line like <FRAME SRC="left.html" NAME="leftpanel"> or similar.)</a></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="mitch"></a><a name="rob"></a></p> <p><a name="rob"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="rob">From:</a><a href="mailto:robn@cableinet.co.uk">Rob Norman</a></p> <p><a name="rob">Date: 9 July 1998</a></p> <p><a name="rob">Brian Whitaker has only himself to blame for the link the BBC gave his site going wrong. By using that most vulgar of Netscapisms, frames, he has guaranteed several gotchas for users of his site.</a></p> <p><a name="rob">While defending the practice of deep linking (where a hyperlink to another site takes you straight to the target information, bypassing that site's home page) he has made it impossible for others to do the same to an article deep in his site without finding themselves bereft of the, presumably essential, navigation panel.</a></p> <p><a name="rob">Likewise, if the same article were listed by a search engine, the link in the listing would go directly to the article, missing out the frameset. This is a common occurence on my own browsings, and infuriating it is too when I strike a promising page only to find there's no way to progress to the rest of the site. "Uh-oh, it's in frames. Bugger." You can try knocking the filename off the end of the URL and hope the default is the frameset, although as often as not it isn't!</a></p> <p><a name="rob">Say also, having drilled down via the intended route to an interesting article, I decide to bookmark the page in order to revisit it. On using the bookmark later on, I find myself, not at the page with the interesting article, but at the frameset with its default pages. Gotcha once again!</a></p> <p><a name="rob">Ditch the frames, Brian. The functionality they provide is superficially attractive but not worth the hassle to author and user alike.</a></p> <p><a name="rob">--------------------------------</a></p> <p><a name="rob">From:</a><a href="http://al-bab.com/node/2695">Brian Whitaker</a></p> <p><a name="rob">Date: 9 July 1998</a></p> <p><a name="rob">Thanks for your message. On balance, I think you're right, though I plead the following in mitigation:</a></p> <p><a name="rob">1. On my site the default IS the frameset.</a></p> <p><a name="rob">2. All the pages are readable without frames. They're just not very attractive visually, and the lines of text are too long.</a></p> <p><a name="rob">3. In the event that you access a page via a deep link from another site, every page has a link to the main menu, which takes you straight to the frameset. The exception to this is the navigation panel, which is the one the BBC linked to.</a></p> <p><a name="rob">On the plus side, frames means that the navigation panel remains in view even when users scroll down a long page of text (and the text on some of my pages is very long).</a></p> <p><a name="rob">Visually, it also provides an easy way (i.e. without using images or java) to get links on the navigation panel which are a different colour from those on the right-hand panel. Useful if you use a dark background on one side and a light background on the other.</a></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a name="rob"></a><a name="joanne"></a></p> <p><a name="joanne"></a></p> <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" style="width:500px"> <tbody> <tr> <td><a name="joanne">From:</a><a href="mailto:joanne@fs1.art.man.ac.uk">Joanne Ginnever</a>, Computer Support, Language Centre, Manchester University M13 9PL</p> <p><a name="joanne">Date: 18 June 1998</a></p> <p><a name="joanne">After reading your article in The Guardian (date June 18th) I was compelled to have a look at the Yemen Gateway web site for myself and see it in its "summer plumage".</a></p> <p><a name="joanne">What a shame I was not wearing my sunglasses at the time, my eyes still haven't recovered from that shocking green :-)</a></p> <p><a name="joanne">If you are looking for that perfect colour, but just don't know what HTML number to use, then may I suggest you use</a><a href="http://www.jasc.com/psp.html">Paint Shop Pro v5</a>. This package allows you to scan through the many millions of colours that are out there and displays the HTML number for each and everyone. You can download it free for a 30-day trial.</p> <p><a name="joanne">Maybe the person who design the colour scheme for the supplement, from which you got your inspiration from should have tried it too.</a></p> <p><a name="joanne">It is a great site and I have added a link from the web site that I created for the</a><a href="mailto:http://langcent.man.ac.uk/links.htm">University of Manchester Language Centre</a>.</p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p></p>